OscailtA Chinese anarchist on TibetEven though I am from China, having lived their practically all my life, I can't claim to have the strongest analysis as I have not studied too deeply into the situation. So my opinion here is simply from glancing over pieces of information and my own anecdotes from traveling in China.2008-04-06T14:07:11+08:00Anarkismoanarkismoeditors@lists.riseup.nethttp://www.anarkismo.net/atomfullposts?story_id=8546http://www.anarkismo.net/graphics/feedlogo.gifWhy a Free Tibet is good for all ethnic groupshttp://www.anarkismo.net/article/8546#comment84722008-04-06T14:07:11+08:00Rick TanThe human rights record of the People's Republic of China is near incomprehensib...The human rights record of the People's Republic of China is near incomprehensible. The toll begins with between six to 10 million deaths as a direct result of Communist actions.<br />
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Perhaps 20 million counter-revolutionaries perished in prison camps and a further 20-43 million perished as the Great Leap Forward collided with the greatest famine in human history. The Cultural Revolution consumed a further million.<br />
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In China, economic growth linked to trade is achieved at the expense of human rights. A free trade agreement with such a regime is to become complicit in their crimes.<br />
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It is unlikely that a Communist China will go beyond opening its markets to opening its jails, to move beyond easing restrictions on imported goods, to easing restrictions on the press and the internet, and to understand that protecting the rights of the sovereign is ethically meaningless without protecting the human rights of its citizens.<br />
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China's human rights abuses are "staggering": the detention of hundreds of thousands of people, including political activists, for "reeducation" programs, and forced labor camps; and the liberal use of the death penalty in China -- including for political prisoners -- which makes China the site of 8 of every 10 government administered executions carried out in the world! <br />
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It is clear that the Communists can't be trusted at all and they have a bag full of tricks to fool not only Tibetans but the people of China with a state-controlled press. The solution is a free Tibet. There is no doubt that a sovereign Tibet would be a savior state not only for Tibetans but for all ethnic groups of China who have nowhere to go if they disagree with the CPC. A free Tibet would be such a free democratic heaven and haven.Tibet situation and future of Chinahttp://www.anarkismo.net/article/8546#comment84732008-04-06T14:36:56+08:00Abul Kalamabul_kalam at yahoo dot comI am glad to see some fair coverage of the situation by a Chinese individual. Of...I am glad to see some fair coverage of the situation by a Chinese individual. Of course we have seen a lot of support for Tibetans and other minority rights from Hong Kong and Taiwan, so it is encouraging.<br />
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Asia has tremendous future in terms of economic prosperity, but Han supremacism as it is applied in Inner Mongolia, Tibet and Xinjiang has created tremendous instabilities within China's borders and also created tensions with all of its neighbors.<br />
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Chinese leadership of ccp/cpc, I believe is very incompetent and juvenile in their policies. Is it possible for some factions within the politburo to overthrow the Hu led "crack-down on minority" supremacist team and bring in some sensible leadership.<br />
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Or will it have to spiral down to armed insurgency spreading in these restive areas before some change in leadership takes place?I never been to China, but....http://www.anarkismo.net/article/8546#comment84742008-04-06T16:43:59+08:00Ilan S.EdwardW conclude:
1) I do not realistically think it will revert back to a feud...EdwardW conclude:<br />
1) I do not realistically think it will revert back to a feudal state, we should have a historical perspective on this, much has changed since the 1930s and I don't think the workers will allow this to happen<br />
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Ilan:<br />
It seems the cultural and political imperialism of China destroyed only part of the theocratic-feudal system of Tibet... but better do not be too sure about its demish.<br />
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The fact that about 25% of the Tibetans are still within the monasteries system may be less than promising.<br />
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It seems China state intervened in Tibet only to serve its strategic interests and not in order to free the Tibetans from the hegemony of the theocrats as long as these accept Chinese rule. <br />
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EdwardW<br />
2) Cultural and political imperialism has occurred in Tibet, and Tibetans have the right to self-determination<br />
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Ilan<br />
I wonder what Cultural and political had the Tibetans serfs had and what of it changed while the monastries still dominate them. There are still 40% analphabetism there.... (Tibet is not like other minorities' ditricts of China, as Hans do not immigrate an mass to Tibet due to climate problems. Even counting the Chinese military complexes there, the Hans are less than 10% of the population.)<br />
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3) I see a greater likelihood for revolution occurring in an independent Tibet<br />
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Ilan<br />
The option for revolution in one small country is absurd. Even if the country is as big as China itself, it is hard to believe it will succeed in the 21th century.<br />
It is understandable that the elite of every country is for "national independance" as it will make them the new ruling elite. However, better do not be so sure what the exploited majority are for. Better be not so sure the majority of the working people are for that option.<br />
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When the choice is between being subjects of a non developed states as "free" and "independent" citizens, or being a second rate residents of devolepped countries, the masses prefer the second option.<br />
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You can see it in the big wave of immigrants to West Europe and North America (US and Canada). You can even see it in the Israeli Palestinian citizens who oppose the change of the 1948 border so the areas they live in on near the borders with the future Palestinian state, will be annexed to the future Palestinian state.<br />
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I wonder what results you will get in Jerusalem, if you made an opinion survey among the Palestinians annexed to it 1967 what they really prefer.